In many ways, the American Dream DOES exist in China as we watch its realtime fade in America.
It is FAR cheaper and easier to start a small business in China than America.
– All the licenses, permits, and inspections (building, health, fire), will total a few hundred dollars and will take 10 to 15% of the time as in America where every agency is some form of the DMV (except law enforcement and the IRS).
– All levels of government are very helpful when you start a small business instead of looking for constant and sometimes arbitrary roadblocks. Government stays out of the way because they want you and the nation to succeed. This attitude is becoming increasingly absent in American government.
– China has no toleration for shoplifters, business disruptors, or homeless druggies camped in front of your store and driving off business. Government does its job protecting the productive class from disorder.
China’s highly digitized surveillance state is excellent and is quickly socializing the Chinese which have traditionally been… uh… somewhat less civilized than now.
Spitting, littering, petty crime, peeing in public, etc., is completely gone in most places.
But this only works because the Chinese government is working for China and realize that includes the Chinese people.
America is in Stage 3 Enshìtification where extracting maximum value instead of creating value is the goal of everyone able to get involved.
What is happening in China is correct and has long-term benefits for China and the Chinese.
But those who watch history know this benevolence and good intention is not forever.
But the surveillance state likely is.
setnaffa
5 months ago
There is no dream of owning land in China. Only the government owns land. The most anyone has is a 75 year lease. And by the time buildings are sold, built, and occupied, there may be less than 50 years left on the original lease.
And those who complain are beaten or disappeared.
ChickenHead
5 months ago
The 70 year lease for residential land is quite established with automatic renewals and rights to sell and inherit.
America also has some crazy stuff but the system works in both cases because the government doesn’t abuse it. (Korea has the same system on beachfront land).
The weakness in China’s system is the renewal is automatic by law…
…but the fees are not codified.
Stay tuned.
Commercial land has weaker legal protections.
The other thing about state-owned residential land is urban renewal through imminent domain is much easier for the state than in America. We have seen this abused in America. I don’t know how arbitrary it is used in China. Koreans generally LOVE when their land is taken to build something better.
(There is an industry of people snooping out future redevelopment plans and buying into the area before it becomes public)
senaffa just glitching again like a worn out tangled cassette tape …
GrayBlack
4 months ago
There is no dream of owning land in China. Only the government owns land. The most anyone has is a 75 year lease. And by the time buildings are sold, built, and occupied, there may be less than 50 years left on the original lease.
So just like the UK and many European states. And about that Amercan dream, I’m at the point where I just don’t want to be accosted on the streets by criminals and homeless drug addicts.
Unpopular Opinion:
In many ways, the American Dream DOES exist in China as we watch its realtime fade in America.
It is FAR cheaper and easier to start a small business in China than America.
– All the licenses, permits, and inspections (building, health, fire), will total a few hundred dollars and will take 10 to 15% of the time as in America where every agency is some form of the DMV (except law enforcement and the IRS).
– All levels of government are very helpful when you start a small business instead of looking for constant and sometimes arbitrary roadblocks. Government stays out of the way because they want you and the nation to succeed. This attitude is becoming increasingly absent in American government.
– China has no toleration for shoplifters, business disruptors, or homeless druggies camped in front of your store and driving off business. Government does its job protecting the productive class from disorder.
China’s highly digitized surveillance state is excellent and is quickly socializing the Chinese which have traditionally been… uh… somewhat less civilized than now.
Spitting, littering, petty crime, peeing in public, etc., is completely gone in most places.
But this only works because the Chinese government is working for China and realize that includes the Chinese people.
America is in Stage 3 Enshìtification where extracting maximum value instead of creating value is the goal of everyone able to get involved.
What is happening in China is correct and has long-term benefits for China and the Chinese.
But those who watch history know this benevolence and good intention is not forever.
But the surveillance state likely is.
There is no dream of owning land in China. Only the government owns land. The most anyone has is a 75 year lease. And by the time buildings are sold, built, and occupied, there may be less than 50 years left on the original lease.
And those who complain are beaten or disappeared.
The 70 year lease for residential land is quite established with automatic renewals and rights to sell and inherit.
America also has some crazy stuff but the system works in both cases because the government doesn’t abuse it. (Korea has the same system on beachfront land).
The weakness in China’s system is the renewal is automatic by law…
…but the fees are not codified.
Stay tuned.
Commercial land has weaker legal protections.
The other thing about state-owned residential land is urban renewal through imminent domain is much easier for the state than in America. We have seen this abused in America. I don’t know how arbitrary it is used in China. Koreans generally LOVE when their land is taken to build something better.
(There is an industry of people snooping out future redevelopment plans and buying into the area before it becomes public)
Eminent Domain?
Although China has negatives it also has positives.
Enshittification?
How would Xi Jinping deal with this request for ketamine from Captain Elon R. Musk to Chief Engineer Bessent?
Beam me up the gluteus maximus Scotty!
Korea Thing, as you have discovered, volatile organic polymeric interfacial unification compound is a hellava thing to huff.
Protip: Stay away from deliriants… at least around weapons and keyboards.
More accurate view of rural China:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRrv_fydFMQ
Poor old setnaffa.
Weaving in and out of conscious thought.
Oh what a tangled web of tau proteins has been woven in his addled noggin.
“Poor old setnaffa.
Weaving in and out of conscious thought.”
The left always accuses other of what they do themselves.
Korea Thing, you have two actions:
– cut and paste
– express something irrational in an irrational way
I would make fun of you for your content, but I can’t find anything to ridicule… because there is nothing there.
So I have to ridicule you over delivery, which competes with your constant self-ridicule of existence.
And there is only a limited number of, “Look at the shape of this turd” jokes… so… nothing for anyone here.
CH, maybe they’re just constipated and need more roughage.
I hear sweet potatoes help.
But they may need their gastroenterologist to put the RotoRooter attachment with their next colonoscopy. They’re pretty well stopped up.
Don’t know which is more funny.
ChickenHead, excuse me @setnaffa thinking Stephen is me or his usual ridiculous comments.
Nobody thought Stephen was you.
You are Korea Person.
“Korea Thing” is a label for a certain class of dysfunction, not a name.
Nobody cares enough about you or your identity to use anything more specific.
Not to worry KP.
senaffa just glitching again like a worn out tangled cassette tape …
So just like the UK and many European states. And about that Amercan dream, I’m at the point where I just don’t want to be accosted on the streets by criminals and homeless drug addicts.