Aircraft carriers aren't obsolete. People like to say that they are huge targets that can be hit by missiles, thus making them obsolete. Even if that were true, it doesn't matter. If anyone attacked an aircraft carrier, the retaliation would be excessive and swift. Fire and Fury! https://t.co/EolqAOD9gx
Just ask Iraq, Libya, or Kosovo if they think aircraft carriers are obsolete. As for them being “huge targets” for missiles, people who say this have no idea of the firepower that the ships in a carrier task group carry. The modern frigates and destroyers of the U.S. Navy, not to mention the undersea protection, is more than enough to take on and defeat any hostile actions.
TOK
3 years ago
Like the battleship, I think the day will come when the huge supercarrier may become obsolete and irrelevant, but IMO that day hasn’t come yet.
setnaffa
3 years ago
The B-52s still flying are all over 57 years old. Are they obsolete? Well, if they had not been upgraded regularly they would be.
I believe the big carriers have similarly been upgraded from those that sailed under Halsey and Spruance. And imagine how many long-range UAVs could be loaded on a CVN. Imagine newer missiles, lasers, and railguns replacing the current anti-aircraft and ooint-defense systems.
Imagine the CVN supported by a fleet of essentially freighters (or large-capacity aircraft like B-52s, C-17s, and so on) acting as warehouses for UAVs which could be refueled and rearmed on the carrier, creating a veritable cloud of offensive and defensive air-power.
We all need to stop thinking in terms of static capabilities. That’s how harbors get pearled.
The propaganda machine has already started work for the new regime. Aircraft Carriers are obsolete and expensive, just like Tanks. Lots of money being wasted, and they have a huge carbon footprint.
Flyingsword
3 years ago
Iraq, Libya, or Kosovo….not exactly military power houses. I guess you can obsolete for what? Carriers are good for projecting power against 3rd world countries in illegal wars; but against CCP they may not fare very well. US does need to come up with a new plan and not rely on carriers, as the US is too reliant on its carrier projection force.
The new Gerald R. Ford-class CVNs will be fitted out to carry the newest F-35 as well as being able to launch a variety of drones. Navy for Navy, the PLAN does not stand a chance. They are primarily a blue water navy that cannot operate far from their bases. There’s something to be said for the old phrase, “Those who fight and runaway, live to fight another day.” The PLAN also lacks the numbers in almost every category and with the new class of littoral combat ships and Virginia-class attack subs, the USN can take the fight directly to the PLAN before they even leave port.
@Tagum City Tim, you are correct that the PLAN cannot take on the U.S. Navy one on one, but that is not their strategy. They would prefer to take on the Navy in the South China Sea where our carrier fleet is vulnerable to their land based anti-ship ballistic missiles. Additionally the man made islands are littered with anti-aircraft missiles to challenge U.S. air supremacy. Is the U.S. willing to lose a carrier or strategic aircraft to defend someone else’s island? The Chinese are likely betting no to that and thus continue their slow motion take over of the SCS.
If the U.S. is willing to get into an engagement in the SCS, remember that Beijing is all in. They will throw in every resource they have short of nuclear weapons to win considering how motivated their population is to support the regime in a conflict.
Would the American people be completely behind any U.S. action in the SCS? I would say half or more would not be due to the internal strife that our adversaries like the Chinese and Russians have been able to help instigate within the U.S. Additionally would the U.S. abandon other defense commitments to send in more naval resources if one or two carriers were sunk in the SCS? Beijing doesn’t have to worry about this because they can focus all their resources solely on the SCS. This is all reasons why the PLAN is more than a match for the U.S. Navy in the SCS. If they fought anywhere else in the world the U.S. Navy would smash them.
setnaffa
3 years ago
GI, the only reason to worry about a fight with China is if we elect a Democrat to the White House. Or if the Democrats successfully cheat in 4 key cities.
@GIKorea – Unlike the Army, the Navy and Air Force do not have to get in close to attack. Parking any CVNs anywhere near the SCS would be foolish. Given the PLAN missile coverage in that area. As we did in Iraq, the Navy will launch Tomahawk missiles from subs and surface ships to neutralize the SCS then set at dismantling the rest of the PLAN. The closest any Navy ships will have to get to do that is the East Philippine Sea (far out of range of anything in the SCS, missile-wise). The USN has enough SSNs in the inventory to take out most of the trouble in the SCS.
Targets in the NSF and ESF would also be prime for a naval attack. There are plenty of variables to a scenario where the USA goes to war with the PRC. My thinking is that the PLA, PLAAF, and the PLAN are going to be weapons of last resort if their biological weapons (i.e. the #WuhanVirus), cyber attacks, and spies are ineffective.
To sum up, CVNs are only one part of the offensive capabilities of the USN. Whether they become obsolete in the future, only time will tell. However, for now, they remain a potent force in the arsenal of the USA.
@Tagumcitytom, we currently do have the submarine advantage on the PLAN, but I would not be surprised if part of their artificial island strategy around the SCS is putting in technology to detect U.S. subs. You are also make the assumption that the U.S. will do mainland strikes to take out their ballistic missiles to allow carriers to enter the SCS. If the U.S. does mainland strikes on China that opens the U.S. homeland to strikes by the PRC. Are there American leaders willing to expose the homeland to cyber, SOF, biological, missile, etc. attacks over small islands in the SCS? Once again I believe it is likely the PRC thinks probably not.
setnaffa
3 years ago
GI, it’s more likely the initial strikes would be against the illegal artificial islands, led by Japanese, Philippine, and Australian forces. With us not being involved except as backup.
@setnaffa, the Japanese constitutionally cannot launch a strike, the Philippines if one of their islands is occupied does not have the military capability to strike back at China, and Australia is too far away to project power into the SCS. They don’t have the strategic assets to project force like the U.S. does. That is why all eyes will be looking at the U.S. to do something which China is betting the U.S. will pass on risking lives and military assets to save a far flung island in the SCS. This is all why costs have to be imposed on China on other ways than just militarily.
setnaffa
3 years ago
GI, the Japanese can act in self-defense. And as I understand it, some of the Chrysanthemum Crowd are lawyers that can out-twist any pretzel.
@GIKorea – I never said anything about launching ICBMs from CONUS. I was talking about ship and sub-launched Tomahawk cruise missiles (also known as TLAMs or Tomahawk Land Attack missiles). Some of our SSNs are equipped with vertical launch tubes for Tomahawks the way that SSBNs launch Trident missiles while most other SSNs also have a torpedo tube-fired Tomahawk capability.
Speaking of ships that seem obsolete, this type of situation would be a perfect time to pull the Iowa-class battleships out of mothballs to blow those little reefs to shreds. No other Navy in the world today has battleships lying in wait of the next time they are needed for their awesome fire power.
Before I go, @GIKorea has raised doubts that the American people would support a war against the Chinese and whether American leaders would be up for the challenge. To answer that partially, I have to say that as more and more information comes out about the #WuhanVirus and how the Chinese intentionally released this bioweapon onto the world, the more people who will be gunning for the Chinese. The overall strategy for a war with the Chinese is to make sure that minimal ground forces are involved other than SOF, Sappers, and other small guerrilla groups. If the Army didn’t learn its lesson in Korea about engaging the Chinese in a conventional ground war, then those leaders should go back and study history.
Their overwhelm and destroy strategies work very well so long as they have cannon fodder (ideological fanatics) to throw at an enemy ground force. The Chinese ground forces have always operated on what I call a doubling strategy. If an enemy takes out a platoon of PLA soldiers then the command sends in a company to replace them, then a brigade, then a division, then a regiment, and on and on until the enemy is completely battered or completely annihilated.
@Tagum City Tim, I was not referring to ICBMs either. Launching tomahawk strikes into the mainland of China would green light Beijing to launch strikes into the mainland U.S. with their cyber, SOF, biological, HGV, etc. capabilities. How many Americans would support taking strikes from China over defending some island in the SCS? The only way I see the American population being mobilized in a united effort is a pre-emptive strike by Beijing. Even then the unity would last only a few months like we saw after the 9/11 attack before the partisan politics returned.
setnaffa
3 years ago
GI and Tim, the US has known about the lame bioweapon and foolishly allowed ourselves to be cowed into submission.
There won’t be a war with China. The Harris/Bidet Administration will start sending manufacturing back to China, and we’ll probably subsidize the Canuckistani Pipeline as well.
@GIKorea – I know you like to stay middle of the road for a lot of your discussions but mark my words, if Trump is not declared the winner of the 2020 elections, Biden/Harris will lead us into WWIII.
@GIKorea – Didn’t the other two World Wars begin as regional squabbles that threatened the safety and stability of the countries around them and therefore those countries had no choice but to defend their territory or join the fight on the side they thought was right?
I guess I didn’t explain myself and got off topic a little from where the thread was going. What I meant was that Biden is going to take a make or break stance against NK. He’s a war hawk and always has been and if KJU has decided his country needs nukes for self-preservation, then there’s nothing Biden will be able to do but to go to war to rid the country of the Kim dynasty. China won’t like this and will once again defend it’s Communist ally.
But what do I know. I’m just a guy in my bedroom on a laptop.
P.S. My handle is TagumCityTim not Time. Your fingers keep typing out time.
@Tagum City Tim, I don’t see Biden starting a war though I suspect he will be tested by Kim Jong-un sometime later this year. Biden will likely do the usual show of force responses and then Moon will orchestrate some kind of easing of tensions. Remember North Korea wants to advance their confederation strategy not fight a war. Causing a crisis that leads to negotiations in North Korea’s favor is the usual play by the Norks.
Sorry about misspelling your name, I guess when typing fast my fingers automatically were adding an e.
setnaffa
3 years ago
Tagum City looks like it might be a good place to spend some time… Maybe that’s what happened…
Flyingsword
3 years ago
All Biden and his globalist cabal know is starting endless wars.
@GIKorea – Wars distract people from domestic issues and right now that’s exactly what Biden needs. I’m not discounting your scenario. It’s quite possible and likely the way things could end up going. However, Biden has 48-50% of the country pissed off right now thinking that he’s stolen the Presidency. He needs something to distract those people.
Getting back to the topic at hand, Biden is going to need all of his obsolete aircraft carriers if he hopes to have a chance in winning a war in northeast Asia.
Tim, I looked up Tagum City and it looked like a nice place. Warmer than my tastes; but the touristy and cultural bits I saw in my 5-minute googling looked like nearly as nice a spot as Saipan. Maybe nicer…
@setnaffa – Yes, it is a nice place. Has all the conveniences and is not such a big city but it is growing. Also, the beach is only about an hour’s drive away. You become acclimatized after a while. When I first got here, I wasn’t able to wear even a t-shirt and be comfortable but now it’s okay.
@Tagum City Tim, if the half the country was pissed at Biden due to the election irregularities, after the fiasco at the Capitol I bet it is down to quarter of the population now. He is then likely going to get $2,000 checks going out to everyone that will only further build confidence in him. Plus he doesn’t have to worry about negative news media. In the short term I really don’t think he is going to have any problems.
In the long term when the people around him want to implement things like the Green New Deal and completely socializing health care that is when things will get interesting.
@setnaffa, glad to hear someone else likes Saipan. That is a great little island to visit especially for people who like World War II history.
2ID Doc
3 years ago
@GI during the honeymoon period you are right the public will be mollified by money and the extremists creating mayhem in DC, however my guess is there will be enough pressure on a slightly confused old man by his VP, the extremists in the House & the 50/50 tie in the Senate that he will in trying to satisfy everyone, try to implement everything at once and make everyone angry. in 2 years VP Harris will slip her plan she has been crafting into play, ease Biden out of the big chair and put herself into it. Had Trump been reelected, simply swap the names and change the issue…what will happen in the SCS is truly anyone’s guess, although I do believe the rhetoric between DC & Beijing will slow as Biden likely doesn’t have a good handle on the situation in Asia. Call this a cheap shot if you will but his forte is Russia and CIS right now.
Flyingsword
3 years ago
Biden won’t be president in 6 month, he will die (be killed quietly) or removed for mental difficulties….either way you will have Pres. Harris.
@GIKorea – Distraction, deception, and downright lies are what we are in for in the upcoming 4 years. As you mentioned, the staged Capitol breech will probably distract some of the sheeples, as well as the increase in their piggy banks, but that won’t appease the masses for long. As you posted elsewhere, NK is ramping up its rhetoric ahead of Biden’s installation, which doesn’t bode well for the future of NE Asia.
There is also the probability that sometime in the coming weeks, the walls will come crashing down upon the legitimacy of Biden’s so-called “win” in the election. A whistleblower has come forth in Italy who confessed to triggering the switching of votes from Trump to Biden and the remote manipulation (through those servers in Germany) of the Dominion vote counting machines and software. This Biden “win” was a fairytale written in the ones and zeros of cyberspace.
@2ID_Doc – Biden/Harris have already laid out the plan for replacing Sleepy Joe so that’s a done deal, timing is the only variable. There is one last scenario that I posted in my last reply to @GI that could bring this whole mess to a halt. However, it depends on Republicans in Congress and elsewhere standing up to the cabal and it would seem that Pelosi and her ilk are in panic mode pushing impeachment and the 25th Amendment option so close to Trump leaving office. It is clear what they are up to. They don’t want any chance of Trump running in 2024. This month is going to be interesting.
Just ask Iraq, Libya, or Kosovo if they think aircraft carriers are obsolete. As for them being “huge targets” for missiles, people who say this have no idea of the firepower that the ships in a carrier task group carry. The modern frigates and destroyers of the U.S. Navy, not to mention the undersea protection, is more than enough to take on and defeat any hostile actions.
Like the battleship, I think the day will come when the huge supercarrier may become obsolete and irrelevant, but IMO that day hasn’t come yet.
The B-52s still flying are all over 57 years old. Are they obsolete? Well, if they had not been upgraded regularly they would be.
I believe the big carriers have similarly been upgraded from those that sailed under Halsey and Spruance. And imagine how many long-range UAVs could be loaded on a CVN. Imagine newer missiles, lasers, and railguns replacing the current anti-aircraft and ooint-defense systems.
Imagine the CVN supported by a fleet of essentially freighters (or large-capacity aircraft like B-52s, C-17s, and so on) acting as warehouses for UAVs which could be refueled and rearmed on the carrier, creating a veritable cloud of offensive and defensive air-power.
We all need to stop thinking in terms of static capabilities. That’s how harbors get pearled.
The propaganda machine has already started work for the new regime. Aircraft Carriers are obsolete and expensive, just like Tanks. Lots of money being wasted, and they have a huge carbon footprint.
Iraq, Libya, or Kosovo….not exactly military power houses. I guess you can obsolete for what? Carriers are good for projecting power against 3rd world countries in illegal wars; but against CCP they may not fare very well. US does need to come up with a new plan and not rely on carriers, as the US is too reliant on its carrier projection force.
The new Gerald R. Ford-class CVNs will be fitted out to carry the newest F-35 as well as being able to launch a variety of drones. Navy for Navy, the PLAN does not stand a chance. They are primarily a blue water navy that cannot operate far from their bases. There’s something to be said for the old phrase, “Those who fight and runaway, live to fight another day.” The PLAN also lacks the numbers in almost every category and with the new class of littoral combat ships and Virginia-class attack subs, the USN can take the fight directly to the PLAN before they even leave port.
@Tagum City Tim, you are correct that the PLAN cannot take on the U.S. Navy one on one, but that is not their strategy. They would prefer to take on the Navy in the South China Sea where our carrier fleet is vulnerable to their land based anti-ship ballistic missiles. Additionally the man made islands are littered with anti-aircraft missiles to challenge U.S. air supremacy. Is the U.S. willing to lose a carrier or strategic aircraft to defend someone else’s island? The Chinese are likely betting no to that and thus continue their slow motion take over of the SCS.
If the U.S. is willing to get into an engagement in the SCS, remember that Beijing is all in. They will throw in every resource they have short of nuclear weapons to win considering how motivated their population is to support the regime in a conflict.
Would the American people be completely behind any U.S. action in the SCS? I would say half or more would not be due to the internal strife that our adversaries like the Chinese and Russians have been able to help instigate within the U.S. Additionally would the U.S. abandon other defense commitments to send in more naval resources if one or two carriers were sunk in the SCS? Beijing doesn’t have to worry about this because they can focus all their resources solely on the SCS. This is all reasons why the PLAN is more than a match for the U.S. Navy in the SCS. If they fought anywhere else in the world the U.S. Navy would smash them.
GI, the only reason to worry about a fight with China is if we elect a Democrat to the White House. Or if the Democrats successfully cheat in 4 key cities.
Oh.
Nevermind.
@GIKorea – Unlike the Army, the Navy and Air Force do not have to get in close to attack. Parking any CVNs anywhere near the SCS would be foolish. Given the PLAN missile coverage in that area. As we did in Iraq, the Navy will launch Tomahawk missiles from subs and surface ships to neutralize the SCS then set at dismantling the rest of the PLAN. The closest any Navy ships will have to get to do that is the East Philippine Sea (far out of range of anything in the SCS, missile-wise). The USN has enough SSNs in the inventory to take out most of the trouble in the SCS.
Targets in the NSF and ESF would also be prime for a naval attack. There are plenty of variables to a scenario where the USA goes to war with the PRC. My thinking is that the PLA, PLAAF, and the PLAN are going to be weapons of last resort if their biological weapons (i.e. the #WuhanVirus), cyber attacks, and spies are ineffective.
To sum up, CVNs are only one part of the offensive capabilities of the USN. Whether they become obsolete in the future, only time will tell. However, for now, they remain a potent force in the arsenal of the USA.
@Tagumcitytom, we currently do have the submarine advantage on the PLAN, but I would not be surprised if part of their artificial island strategy around the SCS is putting in technology to detect U.S. subs. You are also make the assumption that the U.S. will do mainland strikes to take out their ballistic missiles to allow carriers to enter the SCS. If the U.S. does mainland strikes on China that opens the U.S. homeland to strikes by the PRC. Are there American leaders willing to expose the homeland to cyber, SOF, biological, missile, etc. attacks over small islands in the SCS? Once again I believe it is likely the PRC thinks probably not.
GI, it’s more likely the initial strikes would be against the illegal artificial islands, led by Japanese, Philippine, and Australian forces. With us not being involved except as backup.
Relying on old tech…bad idea
@setnaffa, the Japanese constitutionally cannot launch a strike, the Philippines if one of their islands is occupied does not have the military capability to strike back at China, and Australia is too far away to project power into the SCS. They don’t have the strategic assets to project force like the U.S. does. That is why all eyes will be looking at the U.S. to do something which China is betting the U.S. will pass on risking lives and military assets to save a far flung island in the SCS. This is all why costs have to be imposed on China on other ways than just militarily.
GI, the Japanese can act in self-defense. And as I understand it, some of the Chrysanthemum Crowd are lawyers that can out-twist any pretzel.
@GIKorea – I never said anything about launching ICBMs from CONUS. I was talking about ship and sub-launched Tomahawk cruise missiles (also known as TLAMs or Tomahawk Land Attack missiles). Some of our SSNs are equipped with vertical launch tubes for Tomahawks the way that SSBNs launch Trident missiles while most other SSNs also have a torpedo tube-fired Tomahawk capability.
Speaking of ships that seem obsolete, this type of situation would be a perfect time to pull the Iowa-class battleships out of mothballs to blow those little reefs to shreds. No other Navy in the world today has battleships lying in wait of the next time they are needed for their awesome fire power.
Before I go, @GIKorea has raised doubts that the American people would support a war against the Chinese and whether American leaders would be up for the challenge. To answer that partially, I have to say that as more and more information comes out about the #WuhanVirus and how the Chinese intentionally released this bioweapon onto the world, the more people who will be gunning for the Chinese. The overall strategy for a war with the Chinese is to make sure that minimal ground forces are involved other than SOF, Sappers, and other small guerrilla groups. If the Army didn’t learn its lesson in Korea about engaging the Chinese in a conventional ground war, then those leaders should go back and study history.
Their overwhelm and destroy strategies work very well so long as they have cannon fodder (ideological fanatics) to throw at an enemy ground force. The Chinese ground forces have always operated on what I call a doubling strategy. If an enemy takes out a platoon of PLA soldiers then the command sends in a company to replace them, then a brigade, then a division, then a regiment, and on and on until the enemy is completely battered or completely annihilated.
@Tagum City Tim, I was not referring to ICBMs either. Launching tomahawk strikes into the mainland of China would green light Beijing to launch strikes into the mainland U.S. with their cyber, SOF, biological, HGV, etc. capabilities. How many Americans would support taking strikes from China over defending some island in the SCS? The only way I see the American population being mobilized in a united effort is a pre-emptive strike by Beijing. Even then the unity would last only a few months like we saw after the 9/11 attack before the partisan politics returned.
GI and Tim, the US has known about the lame bioweapon and foolishly allowed ourselves to be cowed into submission.
There won’t be a war with China. The Harris/Bidet Administration will start sending manufacturing back to China, and we’ll probably subsidize the Canuckistani Pipeline as well.
@GIKorea – I know you like to stay middle of the road for a lot of your discussions but mark my words, if Trump is not declared the winner of the 2020 elections, Biden/Harris will lead us into WWIII.
@Tagumcitytime, according to many in the right wing media, Biden is on the take from China so why would he lead the U.S. into World War III?
GI, what makes you think Winnie is gonna be our enemy in WW3?
@GIKorea – Didn’t the other two World Wars begin as regional squabbles that threatened the safety and stability of the countries around them and therefore those countries had no choice but to defend their territory or join the fight on the side they thought was right?
I guess I didn’t explain myself and got off topic a little from where the thread was going. What I meant was that Biden is going to take a make or break stance against NK. He’s a war hawk and always has been and if KJU has decided his country needs nukes for self-preservation, then there’s nothing Biden will be able to do but to go to war to rid the country of the Kim dynasty. China won’t like this and will once again defend it’s Communist ally.
But what do I know. I’m just a guy in my bedroom on a laptop.
P.S. My handle is TagumCityTim not Time. Your fingers keep typing out time.
@Tagum City Tim, I don’t see Biden starting a war though I suspect he will be tested by Kim Jong-un sometime later this year. Biden will likely do the usual show of force responses and then Moon will orchestrate some kind of easing of tensions. Remember North Korea wants to advance their confederation strategy not fight a war. Causing a crisis that leads to negotiations in North Korea’s favor is the usual play by the Norks.
Sorry about misspelling your name, I guess when typing fast my fingers automatically were adding an e.
Tagum City looks like it might be a good place to spend some time… Maybe that’s what happened…
All Biden and his globalist cabal know is starting endless wars.
@GIKorea – Wars distract people from domestic issues and right now that’s exactly what Biden needs. I’m not discounting your scenario. It’s quite possible and likely the way things could end up going. However, Biden has 48-50% of the country pissed off right now thinking that he’s stolen the Presidency. He needs something to distract those people.
Getting back to the topic at hand, Biden is going to need all of his obsolete aircraft carriers if he hopes to have a chance in winning a war in northeast Asia.
@setnaffa – To what are you referring?
Tim, I looked up Tagum City and it looked like a nice place. Warmer than my tastes; but the touristy and cultural bits I saw in my 5-minute googling looked like nearly as nice a spot as Saipan. Maybe nicer…
@setnaffa – Yes, it is a nice place. Has all the conveniences and is not such a big city but it is growing. Also, the beach is only about an hour’s drive away. You become acclimatized after a while. When I first got here, I wasn’t able to wear even a t-shirt and be comfortable but now it’s okay.
Sounds great!!
@Tagum City Tim, if the half the country was pissed at Biden due to the election irregularities, after the fiasco at the Capitol I bet it is down to quarter of the population now. He is then likely going to get $2,000 checks going out to everyone that will only further build confidence in him. Plus he doesn’t have to worry about negative news media. In the short term I really don’t think he is going to have any problems.
In the long term when the people around him want to implement things like the Green New Deal and completely socializing health care that is when things will get interesting.
@setnaffa, glad to hear someone else likes Saipan. That is a great little island to visit especially for people who like World War II history.
@GI during the honeymoon period you are right the public will be mollified by money and the extremists creating mayhem in DC, however my guess is there will be enough pressure on a slightly confused old man by his VP, the extremists in the House & the 50/50 tie in the Senate that he will in trying to satisfy everyone, try to implement everything at once and make everyone angry. in 2 years VP Harris will slip her plan she has been crafting into play, ease Biden out of the big chair and put herself into it. Had Trump been reelected, simply swap the names and change the issue…what will happen in the SCS is truly anyone’s guess, although I do believe the rhetoric between DC & Beijing will slow as Biden likely doesn’t have a good handle on the situation in Asia. Call this a cheap shot if you will but his forte is Russia and CIS right now.
Biden won’t be president in 6 month, he will die (be killed quietly) or removed for mental difficulties….either way you will have Pres. Harris.
@GIKorea – Distraction, deception, and downright lies are what we are in for in the upcoming 4 years. As you mentioned, the staged Capitol breech will probably distract some of the sheeples, as well as the increase in their piggy banks, but that won’t appease the masses for long. As you posted elsewhere, NK is ramping up its rhetoric ahead of Biden’s installation, which doesn’t bode well for the future of NE Asia.
There is also the probability that sometime in the coming weeks, the walls will come crashing down upon the legitimacy of Biden’s so-called “win” in the election. A whistleblower has come forth in Italy who confessed to triggering the switching of votes from Trump to Biden and the remote manipulation (through those servers in Germany) of the Dominion vote counting machines and software. This Biden “win” was a fairytale written in the ones and zeros of cyberspace.
@2ID_Doc – Biden/Harris have already laid out the plan for replacing Sleepy Joe so that’s a done deal, timing is the only variable. There is one last scenario that I posted in my last reply to @GI that could bring this whole mess to a halt. However, it depends on Republicans in Congress and elsewhere standing up to the cabal and it would seem that Pelosi and her ilk are in panic mode pushing impeachment and the 25th Amendment option so close to Trump leaving office. It is clear what they are up to. They don’t want any chance of Trump running in 2024. This month is going to be interesting.
For everyone who is curious, here’s a link about the story in Italy.
https://phibetaiota.net/2021/01/mongoose-affidavit-from-italy-connecting-us-embassy-to-massive-switching-of-votes-from-trump-to-biden/