A Standing Ovation for Child Abuse
At least not everyone was clapping, but look who was:
Finance Minister Kwon O-kyu on Wednesday admitted he was embarrassed watching North Korea’s mass gymnastic propaganda performance “Arirang,” which features a cast of thousands performing in strict unison. Speaking at a forum at the Korea Press Foundation, Kwon said he “felt uncomfortable twice” during his visit to North Korea as a member of President Roh Moo-hyun’s entourage to the recent inter-Korean summit. One was when the North brought up the issue of national self-reliance, and the other when he was watching the “Arirang” show.
Kwon said he was embarrassed when only Roh and Unification Minister Lee Jae-joung gave a standing ovation to a performance by young children during the mass gymnastic program while no one else clapped. It seems he was concerned that their standing ovation could cause controversy in South Korea while North Korea could be offended that no one else applauded. [Chosun Ilbo]
Anyone suprised Roh Moo-hyun and Lee Jae-joung are clapping for child abuse? Minister Kwon is correct that it is an embarrassment that the South Korean government would be willing to watch a propaganda show put on by abused children. It is only fitting Lee Jae-joung would be giving a standing ovation considering he believes there is "no concrete evidence of human rights violations in the North ".
I pity the children of North Korea. If only their "Dear Leader" did as good a job of feeding them as he did of feeding himself. It's sickening.
Finally!!!
Someone in the Roh's cabinet has a pair to sound off how it is disgraceful to watch the Arirang Festival with conscience.
Roh seems to be a North Korean.
Greg…How observant you are!!!
Is it me the only one intelligent here? Why is so difficult to understand Roh’s attitude? His attitudes are driven by political reasons. Don’t you understand what a political driven attitude is? Watch the great leader Bush than:
1) Why he keeps supporting Israel in the Middle East when the whole region is inhabited by Muslim nations? Israel is the most heated nation in the meddle eats (and perhaps in the world). If Bush supports the Palestinians, for instance, resistance against USA would be eased.
2) Why Bush insist to say that guantanamo is really “necessary” when by using such “measure” he has achieved nothing against terrorism but violated international human rights?
3) What prevents bush to include Saudi Arabia in the list of terrorist nations when almost all known terrorist are from that “allied” country. And why no invading this country to fight Bin Laden organization, since his financial support comes from here? Why don’t you capture his family members to force him to negotiate or surrender? Yes, send them to Guantanamo …
Please don’t get me wrong, what I what to say is that just like Bush, Roh as his own reasons to do this or that. That’s policy. If someone wants to criticize me, please do it in a rational manner, not emotionally.
Is this one of those times "Dr Yu"'s grammar gets much poorer?
Dr. Yu,
First of all, you’re no doctor, so let’s stop pretending. I wouldn’t be surprised if you’re actually in Pyongyang.
So is that your pro-child slavery argument?
Roh is a BUFFOON. Kim Jong-il is a criminal (and a buffoon). The North Korean people — and especially the children — suffer unspeakable hardship and misery because their leader is a corrupt, brutal dictator.
End of story.
Dr. Yu is a doctor, he got his PhD from Yale just like Miss Shim. Let’s face it there is a reason why koreans get unaccredited degrees; their schools are useless. The pride of this country SNU is ranked 103 in the world.
SNU grads can’t even get into many of our schools for the reasons that are obvious; they are degree mills, you just have to wait 4 years.
Knickerbocker,
I agree with everything you said about children in north korea. Everybody knows that, even Roh. But there are time for confrontation and time for diplomacy, and I don’t think confrontation is the best solution for now.
Do you remember USA’s former “allies”? Saddan, Pinochet, Kadafi, Noriega, Ferdinan Akino, and most former dictators around the world? Your country had to be allied to them because of your “international interest”, don't you remember?
"skippy"
Most fake diplomas are from your “great” country. I still remember receiving thousand messages in my e-mail selling diplomas from “prestigious” USA universities.
I remember once I got an offer to get a diploma from “Sanford” university. Oh yes !!! Sanford, not “Stanford”
You must be graduated from a great university in the USA, than please give me your thoughts on Bush’s attitudes on Guantanamo, Israel and Saudi Arabia (Bin Laden).
Please don't keep me waiting so long, ok?
I'm not American Dr. Yu.
Why would anyone get a fake degree from a Korean school? All the schools here are unaccredited anyway! There are no 'prestigious' schools in korea, you just burned your own argument!
That's why Koreans have to take SATs and the like because of the massive fraud in your school system. I went to the University of Toronto by the way which has a ranking in the top 30 universities on the planet earth. You couldn't even get into my school Dr. Yu and I probably could teach at yours.
At least fake Dr. Shim had it right, better to get a good fake from an American school than actually graduate from a Korean one…haha!!
I think what you should say is that most fake degrees are from schools in America. That doesn't mean they make them there, America actually has very strict state laws for fake degrees and mill makers.
Perhaps you are referring to Khao San road in Thailand which is the capital of fake degree presses and where about 80% of the worlds fakes are made, not in America.
skippy,
"I went to the University of Toronto by the way which has a ranking in the top 30 universities on the planet earth. You couldn’t even get into my school Dr. Yu and I probably could teach at yours."
My goodness !!!! think I will stop here now that you showed me how "wonderful and superior" you are. How could I dare? arguing with someone from a university ranking among the 30 top universities on the earth!!!!! Yes you are right, probably I would never enter such an elitist school. You really must be something !!! I think my university could not get even within the 1.000 top universities on the earth. How I envy you !!!!! You must be also very handsome and athletic, right? I think I found my enchanted prince !!! give me your phone, let’s date, Hahaha !!!!!
I don’t care if you are not from USA, fake diplomas are genuine American products. Proudly American !!!!!!
By the way, I’m still waiting your “wisdom” on my questions. I’m not from such a prestigious university, but I still can make my own judgment and express my thoughts. Didn’t teach you that in your “school”?
Dr. Yu,
Let's get back to the point here. The North Koreans actually imprison children in their gulags.
When would it be "convenient" for Roh and his fellow applauding idiots to acknowledge this horrible fact?
How many children must suffer while Kim Jong-il develops his nuclear weapons instead of feeding his people?
Speaking of child abuse, did you hear about the Canadian teacher arrested for sexually abusing children?
http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/net-closes-on…
Incidentally, a North Korean friend of mine got a BA at Samford University, an MA at Yail University, and, finally, his PhD at NIT.
I can't really blame him for going abroad for his education. A degree from Pyongyang University isn't what it used to be….
[…] This news definitely is going to help the image of foreign English teachers in Korea (HT: Greg): […]
I can't comment on topics that are above you Dr. Yu. Yes I am handsome and you are a graduate from an inferior university.
They are not genuine American products as you say, they are products of Thailand that happen to be printed in English baring the names of institutions that that are simply the best the world has to offer.
Korean ding-dang-dung universities just don't cut it on the world stage and like I said, why would anyone, even a fake choose a Korean school to graduate from? Your a joke in the big picture, the only thing people know about korea is that you eat rodents and dogs.
"I can’t comment on topics that are above you Dr. Yu."
Please, try. I promise I will do my best to reach your level, ok?
By the way, now that we are talking about things like someone’s capacity to be admitted by prestigious universities, intellectual capacities and so on, are you familiar with the concept of “Nature x Nurture”? If so, what do you think is the relation between this concept and the fact of people being admitted or not by prestigious universities?
Please be objective in your answer. I know you can. However if you are not familiar with this concept, please tell me that I will try to explain to you.
"Yes I am handsome and you are a graduate from an inferior university."
How much handsome are you? Like Brad Pitt, Tom Cruise, Di Caprio, George Bush? Hahaha !!!!
Knickerbocker
"When would it be “convenient” for Roh and his fellow applauding idiots to acknowledge this horrible fact?"
That’s easy: Until the problems with NK are solved by peaceful means or until no more kids are left to be sent to the gulags, Hahaha !!!!
Dr. Yu,
I'm all for peaceful means. But how "peaceful" are things now for North Korea's starving children???
Anyone with a conscience at the very least supports regime change in North Korea.
Everyone else is either North Korean or a complete idiot.
Which one are you/Yu?
Dr. Yu I am not aware of this concept or am confused. What I do know what the Korean term 'nuturing' means.
It follows as this; a 35year old man who still lives at home, who reads comic books, doesn't know how to cook, clean his room or make his bed. Doesn't know how to wash his clothes or get a job,girlfriend/life. Has his mother still wipe his ass for him and make excuses to why he is a loser and a mommy's boy.
If you mean 'tabula rasa' (you will need to look it up) then I know exactly the concept of nature vs. nurture.
I still think it's a bullshit concept thought up by people in the pseudo-know to get get grant money but that's another story.
And no…I'm more of a rugged Bruce Willis type.
Knickerbocker
What’s your problem with the kids in NK? Are you pedophile?
If so, than you must be friend of that Canadian english teacher caught in Thailand. Than probably you are also graduated from University of Toronto like him, which, BTY, is ranked among the 30 top universities in the world.
“Everyone else is either North Korean or a complete idiot.
Which one are you/Yu?”
What a stupid question. The answer to this question is obviously “I’m not idiot”, since no one, whether stupid or not, likes admit that is an idiot. I know that this question meant to be offensive to me, but the way you put it, it only insults your intellectual capacity (if you have one).
Now, your concern and desperation on NK children is very touching to me. But there are more kids in the world deserving your tears and prayers, like the kids in Africa. Obviously your “concern” on NK children has political reason, and that is nothing but hypocrisy to me. Do you want to do something for them? Stop being stupid and stop using their disgrace for your political interest.
skippy,
I don't know the meaning of "tabula rasa". I need you to enlighten me.
Don't you remember? I'm not graduated from a university ranking among the 30 top most prestigious universities in the world.
But I know a similar word in Portuguese “táboa rasa” that means someone with empty mind, without content, STUPID. Is it you ?
See? I was right. Yu are an idiot.
"See? I was right. Yu are an idiot."
and you are so intelligent that waste your time arguing with and idiot … right?
You're still an idiot. 🙂
Knickerbocker
hahaha !!! you are cute !!!!
KB is right, Yu are an idiot.
I don't think you graduated from a school in the top 30,000 to be perfectly honest if you graduated at all. Of course the Portugeuse is similar. Latin the the base of the romantic languages which includes Italian ,Spanish,Portugeuse,French and Romanian.
You had better get your fake credential papers out and make sure their aren't any spelling errors or typos because with the way you write on this board it isn't a stretch for you to miss them.
…and yes I spelled 'their' wrong just for yu, yu.
KB and Skippy,
The good think of being considered an idiot is that people don’t expect so much from an “idiot”, so I don’t have to prove you anything.
However you guys are so intelligent and superior but were unable to answer anyone of my questions, wasting your time insulting me just because had no any intelligent answer to give.
The price of judging others is that you can be judged as well, and based on what you have showed until now, you guys are not better that those you have been insulting.
KB, you are so concerned about the kids in NK, but your “pain” and “sorrow” is just rhetorical, and your real intention behind such “benevolence” is as true as the promises of KJI.
Skkipy you are so stupid and arrogant that think that a shit from a university, Oh!!! Sorry, my bad .. sheet (obviously you know I’m talking about a diploma) is enough proof of someone’s intellectual capacity. The bad news for you is that there is something lacking in your personal capacity that no university in the world can teach you, that is good manners and respect for the others. These values you don’t get from any institution but from home, from what you learn with your parents. Do you remember “Nature x Nurture”? well .. obviously your parents failed nurturing you !!!! Got it?
Lastly, your “name” is very funny, and honestly speaking that sounds like a dog’s name to me, like snoopy. I thought about giving this name to my new dog today, but than I realized I could not, because I remembered that he is not graduated from a university ranking among the 30 most prestigious universities in the world !!!! but that’s ok, no problem .. I will send him to University of Toronto next year. Oh yes !!! if someone like you can be admitted by this university, why not my dog?
Because you probably will eat your dog when done with it you savage.
The 'nurturing' thang is self evident, you probably still live at home and are everything listed above in my description. Thus your opposition to it.
I answered all your questions Dr. Yu, yu just didn't get it.
Yu name is very funny too? Is your first name 'bum suk' now that would be really funny!
Yu,
Let's get back to the whole point of this thread — Anyone who is pro-North Korea is pro-child abuse.
You ask why am I concerned about the kids in North Korea. The reason is that they cannot defend themselves, so it's up to us adults to protect them from totalitarian dictators as well as child molestors.
But I should ask you a similar question, Yu. Why AREN'T you concerned about the kids in North Korea?
I see three possibilities:
1. You're paid to post things favorable to the Sunshine Policy.
2. You're an idiot.
3. Both.
KB
I’ll honest with you. Everything you said about North Korea sound false to me. In my judgment you lack credibility in your comments because of this:
Your country has been supporting dictators around the world for over one hundred years. Yes, do you remember your former allies (Saddan, Kaddafi, Noriega, Pinochet and mostly all dictators from Asia, Africa and Latin American countries?) Your country supported them politically and financially, also supplying them with thousands of tons of weapons.
Your allies violated all known human rights, killing millions of people around the world, yet your country just didn’t care about this “side effects” as long as your “allies” kept doing what you desired, what was good for the USA.
Now your country says that is “shocked” with the human rights violation in Korea, when as said before, supported dictators violating human rights day by day in their countries.
Tell me, why you are so “shocked” with NK kids dying when you (USA) remained just “still” and “senseless” with such “tragedy” happening in other countries? Your “concern” and “sorrow” sounds suspicious, considering your “humanitarian” history background. Do N.korean kids deserve more affection and kindness that the others? Why?
Ok, I know I’m actually talking about your country while you are posting your comments here individually, but it is just so difficult to dissociate you from your government, since you just keep repeating everything your government says about this matter. You sound like a parrot repeating tireless the same thing like if you were in trance, like if you were in a religious ritual chanting the same “song” in honor of your "God" Bush (The power of american government propaganda?????).
Don't even reply KB, he eats dogs. How can you get a point across to a savage? What's next eating your children? oh…they do that in north korea.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/n…
Hey "Doctor" Yu… Are you even as much of a doctor as Che the butcher?
Your lack of clear thinking really marks "Yu" as a late teen, early twenties type… unless you have a serious chemical dependency problem… May one advise you to get treatment for your pathos?
What historical context are you leaving out of your "history lesson" above? Or do you imagine that the Cold War between the US and the USSR never happened? And as for our allies "killing millions around the world", I'd be interested in having you present your statistics. I'd like to compare the civilian deaths caused by US and US Allies versus Communist, Fascist, and Islamic enemies of the USA.
BTW, casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan are decreasing now. The peoples of those two countries are rising up against al Qaeda and becoming more able to support themselves without our assistance. It is a lot easier to se a day when US Troops in Iraq are fewer and treated better than US troops in Germany, Japan, or Korea…
Yes, Dubya is our president. He was admittedly a poor choice; but better than the lunatic who opposed him in 2000 and the traitor who ran against him in 2004. And he was our choice–so sit the **** down and shut the **** up about it. Or become an American citizen and join the process.
At any rate, he'll be gone in a little over a year. The Norks, on the other hand, have been stuck with the pudgy guy with bad hair until he gets the "Moscow Flu". A guy who apparently can't seem to lose weight in a country where millions are literally starving to death. Yeah. A real caring leader that one. Just like his daddy–the guy who trained Butcher Mugabe of Zimbabwe.
Why aren't you concerned with the children of North Korea? Don't they deserve a chance to grow up healthy? And as for your claims of US inattention to the suffering of other children, well, you just must not get out very much…
Regarding submission to Islamic demands being the solution to Middle East problems, it is a dead end road. Yes, one can avoid all war by always submitting. That is the definition of a slave. "Doctor" Yu tells us that turning our back on the only Middle Eastern democracy that allows women to vote will be a good thing.
Some of us choose a different road. "Right" and "Wrong" are difficult concepts for some netizens to comprehend. For example, they blamed the dead missionaries instead of their killers. If you can't see that blaming the victims for the crime is wrong, then you're past all hope.
If you know how to look up the Arab-Israeli conflict on Wikipedia, you can see that it was not the Jews who shot first. In 1947, as the UN Partition was getting closer, the Muslims rioted in Jerusalem, killing innocent shop-keepers and their families.
Only a jew-hater, an ignoramous who can't figure out how to use google, or a craven dhimmi would still suggest the "plight" of the Palestinians is a legitimate causus belli. The fact that no Muslim country accepted the refugees–in violation of the Koran–is another example. The more than 2 billion dollars of foreign aid money in Yassir Arafat's personal bank account (that went to his non-Muslim, non-Arab wife) is more evidence. The Muslim-on-Hindu violence in Cashmir is not related to Israel or Palestine. And, in fact, lying to non-Muslims (al-taqiyyah) is one of the primary means Muslims are encouraged to gain merit towards a spot in heaven.
So again "Doctor" Yu, you are exposed as a lying jackass who can't even be bothered to find half-truths that are difficult to disprove…
If I was "Yu", I'd change my name and find another place to troll…
Yu,
You're like the Energizer Bunny of idiots…. "Still going!"
I'm not repeating what my government says about North Korea. I'm repeating what North Korean refugees say. Funny how every single one of them has nothing but horror stories to tell about the place. Why do you suppose that is? Are they skinny parrots? Maybe there's a reason no journalists were allowed to accompany Roh and the 300 people with him on his Inter-Korean Summit fiasco.
It's obvious at this point that there's more than one "Dr. Yu." The English is just too inconsistent. Some days it's okay and other days it's just awful. The only thing consistent is that you're all BORING.
(Do you guys get one paycheck and split it up or separate paychecks for posting on blogs?)
This is simply pathetic. I cannot believe the callous & cynical point of view expressed by "Yu"
To write that starving children being kept imprisoned all to satisfy the egos of very sick mentally distured leaders of NK is due to Bush is quite amazing illogic. Tell me how many years of propaganda and poor education does it take to embrass such a cold heart? I am proud to be an American, our homes are warm and welcoming and there are plenty of loving arms waiting to comfort, feed, and show love and teach loving values to the beautiful children that NK obviosly doesn't want to care for.
I was hoping for something more from NK with all of the possibilities with Obama and an opportunity for a new hope!