Chinese General Threatens to Nuke United States
A Chinese general speaking during a conference for foreign journalists had this to say if war broke out over Taiwan:
“If the Americans draw their missiles and position-guided ammunition on to the target zone on China’s territory, I think we will have to respond with nuclear weapons,†said General Zhu Chenghu.
Gen Zhu was speaking at a function for foreign journalists organized, in part, by the Chinese government. He added that China’s definition of its territory included warships and aircraft.
“If the Americans are determined to interfere [then] we will be determined to respond,†said Gen Zhu, who is also a professor at China’s National Defense University.
“We . . . will prepare ourselves for the destruction of all of the cities east of Xian. Of course the Americans will have to be prepared that hundreds . . . of cities will be destroyed by the Chinese.â€
Gen Zhu is a self-acknowledged “hawk†who has warned that China could strike the US with long-range missiles. But his threat to use nuclear weapons in a conflict over Taiwan is the most specific by a senior Chinese official in nearly a decade.
He actually better prepare himself for more than just the destruction of all the cities east of Xian; he better prepare for the destruction of the entire country and the end of the Chinese people if the United States were to receive a nuclear attack from the Chinese. I tend to agree with this take on what to do if attacked by the Chinese:
I don’t think he understands that no city west of Xian will be safe either. If one, 10, 100 American cities were nuked; no American President or his political party would do nothing less than ensure the obliteration from the face of the earth the country that did that. We are better at it than the Chinese when it comes to nukes. The only concern of the remaining 150 million Americans will be that we do not destroy the remaining Pandas as we move forward to killing as many of the remaining 500 million or so Chinese left after our initial attack.
Actually, under the first wave there would probably be fewer Chinese left and more Americans around. Lets make it 200 million Americans and 350 million Chinese left over. They are more concentrated; we have more nukes, better nukes, and a better military. Any American politician who did not have a non-stop nuking to the borders of Mongolia, India and Kyrgyzstan until China agreed to an unconditional surrender would be impeached or there would be “extra-Constitutional Action” in the US…..and then more nuking. Americans are a very nice people, but we get a solid blood-lust when provoked, and a war of national survival will push that instinct to the limits. People forget that most of our bloodlines came from European revolutionaries (loosing side, I will grant you), border skirmishers from the British Isles, slaves that survived the passage, rebels, kids called today ADD, criminals, adventurers, and religious zealots.
We are not stable when given weapons and a good reason to fight. Ask the Japanese, Sioux, and Saddam’s kids. The best thing that China could expect from this conflict is retaining 1/3 of their prior population and their country broken up into Manchuria, Canton, East Turkistan, Tibet, and for good measure we will give some land back to our Mongolian friends, let the non-nuked Hong Kong become a Singapore, a bit to the now-united Korea, let Vietnam, Pakistan and India get their bits back, and Japan will have all oil rights outside 2NM from China’s shores for 99 years.
Well said, but I don’t think there will be much left of Korea either to give land back too.
Anyway, does anyone wonder why President Bush is pushing for national missile defense? The lefties will probably claim this guy doesn’t speak for the majority of peace loving Chinese thus we don’t need missile defense; let’s give the money ear marked for National Missile Defense to corrupt African regimes instead so we can feel better about ourselves because we are trying to end poverty though by giving handouts we are only prolonging it. First of all, it doesn’t matter if the majority of the Chinese people don’t want nuclear war, what matters is who is the guy that would push the button and right now they got one senior Chinese general threatening to nuke the United States. Plus if the US did get nuked by the Chinese the same people going after Bush now over the National Missile Defense project would be the same people criticizing him if we did get nuked, for not implementing National Missile Defense.
What would happen if an American general made a claim to nuke the Chinese? It would be all over the world news and we would be called an aggressive nation looking to provoke wars. The Chinese would demand the general apologize and be removed from the military. When a Chinese general does it, it is regulated to the back pages of any paper if it made the paper at all and limited to debate and analysis only in the blogosphere. Somebody should call the Chinese to account on this.
Anyone wonder where the North Koreans get their belligerent attitude towards nuclear weapons from now?
Well, I thought it would be the North Koreans if ones across the line. Hmmnn, the Chineses?
They think they are borned with a natural right to punish others; in fact they kept this right longer than 1,000 years against other Asian countries besides Japan–Oh, I almost forget to count up the punnishment to Vietnum. Whatever Japanese leaders say about China and Chineses, they would be punished if Chineses don't like the idea. The dicision whether to punish or not is solely in their brains. Please keep in mind they sometime alter their decisions later.
Anyway, the Chineses won't nuke US cities, but on Japan ones; don't worry men. Because there are plenty of near targets easy to break and they can vapor out the most hateful competitor. Yes, they are pragmatist. They would just say "it is a punishment."
Japan has some of expensive PAC3 batteries to protect (hopefully) US military bases; we know the PAC3s do not have the ability to protect large cities in Japan.
So is he, Gen. Zhu Chenghu, suggesting us to purchase more PAC3s from US in order to protect major Japanese cities?
Or, should we make an offer to buy all the nukes from the Chineses? Certainly they would raise the bid, but there are sellers. No, this won't work, we tried it but failed (is failing?) recently.
Oh, there is another choice. We can produce nukes cheaper than the others. We are positive about this.
Which way is cheaper?
I think I drank too much today.
GI, I recommend you not quote from others' counterthreats.
I'm devoutly hoping (and am 99% sure) that all official US government spokesmen will refrain from such belligerent responses to the Chinese general's words; I think you should too.
I think it's pretty obvious that the US would respond to a nuclear attack on its territory with massive retaliation and there's no need to dwell on this possibility. Consider that you may have alarmed Korean (and even Chinese) readers here, who might think that you represent the real inner voice of official US policy and that nuclear war is more imminent than it really is.
There is a need to proceed as rapidly as possible with US missile defense, and comments by you promoting this are entirely appropriate.
The Taiwan issue is almost completely ignored by US politicians of both parties; this would be an appropriate area for you to comment. Are the people of the US really prepared for their military to engage in combat with air sea and land forces of the PRC, if the PRC were to launch an invasion of Taiwan? I'm not at all sure that they are.
Instead of counterthreatening the PRC with nuclear destruction, the US Congress ought to IMO schedule hearings on the subject of Taiwan and then have a debate, leading to the passing (or failure to pass) of a resolution reaffirming our commitment to defend Taiwan, in response to the Chinese general's remarks. That (not more nuclear blustering) would be the correct political response.
I'd like MD if it worked, perfectly, and RIGHT NOW, because right now ICBMs a much bigger threat than nukes delivered on foot in suitcases to American cities. It looks like MD will be perfected by about the time the bigger threat will be homemade nuclear devices in backpacks, at which point it will about as helpful as stopping the arrival of illegal aliens from Mexico. Meanwhile I've got nothing against MD in theory, though, really.
Holy smokes GI…tell us how you really feel about a nuclear attack by the Chinese next time…don't hold back…let us have it…
I certainly hope leveler heads prevail no matter what it is concerning nukes…the destruction of the chinese race is not likely since there are chinese communities in almost every country in the world including the US…perhaps we will round them up and put them in concentration camps illegally like we did with the Japanese during WWII because we obviously would not be able to trust them to defend america right?
GI I think you overestimate the severity of the situation…this is just a quote from one of a few of the antiques left that like to rattle their sabres and measure their dicks against their rival. (I do agree about the double standard though:) The idea of such a nuclear conflict may be possible but it is certainly implausible. How could we imagine that any US president would have such a disregard for the millions of innocent lives you claim would be taken in the retaliation of an attack on the US? And we should not assume that the president (or generals) of China would have such disregard for the American lives. It is a mistake to assume such emnity exists among the Chinese government. They may not like us very much and I even believe they may want more land and more power in the world….but a holocaust of the magnitude you speak is unfathomable and should remain that way.
GI,
If you are going to defend America, you shouldn't be so easily distracted by an enemy's ruse. Instead of thumping your chest in reaction to Chinese bluster, watch your butt to protect yourself from the real threat — the USFK.
Think about the leaders the Pentagon is foisting on you and your men.
In order for the Chinese and Russians to achieve a Socialist victory, American cultural institutions — such as the USFK — would have to be infiltrated and subverted. The Chinese, Koreans, Russians realize that America, steeped in traditions of freedom and liberty, would never succumb to a frontal assault — such as nuking the USA.
The Chinese and the Koreans know to get the GI neanderthal to thump his chest proudly declaring himself to be off-spring of American revolutionary freedom-fighters and — really tough surviving black slaves — while brainwashing them to be good communists is the real victory. Make the GI self-doubting and unwilling to fight for the main elements of Western culture: Christianity, capitalism, authority, the family, patriarchy, hierarchy, morality, tradition, sexual restraint, loyalty, patriotism, nationalism, heredity, ethnocentrism, convention, and conservatism.
How do I know? In the face of Korean contempt for America — such as burning the American flag in mass rallies, your generals (Lt. General Charlie Campbell, 8th Army Commander) breaks down and cries before Koreans and America — as a role model for his soldiers.
Thus, inspiring the GI to "swallow his pride" in a spirit of female masochism.
How did these military role-models replace the General McArthurs? Answer: The infitrated-Pentagon is sending military eunuchs to USFK — in order to degrade America's last bastion of traditional American values.
Apparently, according to these eunuchs,anything emanating from the west is to be libeled and attacked…. all blame for societal and economic ills are to be shifted to the West… we must cry in repentence for the past imperialism Korea habitually accuses. Lt.General Charles Campbell seems to have truly inspired you to –"swallow your pride"… for your imperialist men are "first" to be suspected in every Korean/USFK incident.
My main critique about you is that behind your bitching about the ill-mannered Koreans, there is an under-tone of a person who loathes his own society, which nurtured him and provided him unprecedented levels of success…. You have bought the lie that anyone imbued with middle class, conservative, or Christian values is a racist and a fascist. You fear being called a racist, more than you fear a bullet … and huddle for safety with types who cross-dress in Korean Hanbok. Not real brave are you?
"The socialist change-agents such as Lt. Gen Charles Campbell introduced the idea of psychological conditioning as a means of changing the USFK culture to fit their emasculinated image…. there is a subtle pressure toward all soldiers who refused to conform to the new morality to be viewed as mentally ill — and in need of treatment: to be locked down with curfews. The Soviet Union offers a clear example of this philosophy in action with it’s millions sent to gulags for 'mental' maladies such as 'anti-social' attitudes…. such as your own GIs willing to fight-back against the insidious Korean abuse.
Your General Lt. Charles Campbell is teaching by example that "radical youth, feminists, black militants, anti-American Koreans, homosexuals, the alienated, the asocial, Third World revolutionaries, all the angry voices of the persecuted ‘victims’ of the West must be appeased with tearful repentence. Lt.Gen Charles Campbell's example calls for 'Repressive Tolerance' which means intolerance against movements from the right, and toleration of movements from the left.
How do I know? The USFK culture has inspired you to send me to a Soviet mental hospital — by writing me off as a silly "pot-smoker".
But, you do seem to be switching loyalties somewhat in favor of your own men … you are in need of "group criticism" — you seem to be slipping from your socialist moorings.
Quick seek out aid and comfort from the Marmot! He will provide you a "safe place" sipping wine together in the warm glow of candle-light, seductively cross-dressed in Korean Hanbok. He will soothe your soul with stories of "exploitative power in-equalities" and past sins of the West while reassuring you that "repentence" doesn't mean you are gay, nor a liberal.
Don't believe that inverted rascal!
The quote in my posting included a bit of satire but the basic premise I find behind it to be true. If China ever nuked an American city, I think we should retaliate and destroy their country. I don't think we should just sit back and discuss the morals of ending their country. But I agree that is extremely unlikely that China would ever just nuke an American city but with the Taiwan issue hanging out there who knows. I believe in being prepared and missile defense is the way to go. Securing our borders would be an equally great defensive measure to take as well. However, it would probably take a nuclear attack to get the politicians to do something about that.
GI,
Well yes, I realize you were not taking the threat too seriously and was being satirical — but, the key point I try to engage you in — is that hard-power is not how the Chinese, Koreans, and Russians are going to make themselves "more equal than America".
It's through the degradation of Western society — the new values being slipped into the USFK — such as weeping generals legitimizing anti-Americanism.
I bet your readership would LOVE to hear topics about how Asian values have already over-run the perimeters of Yongsan with a Disneyland Marxism that the Marmot and you seem to embrace.
I suppose taking your leaders to account is construed as insubordination … thus, maybe you are shy about the topic … or, you aren't that bright and rather talk about guns, missiles, … and stuff like that.
Lets hear your views on gays in the military! I think this would adequately smoke-out your secret back-door religion — something we are extremely curious about.
Silly Sally, you are most certainly a student of Leo Straus, aren't you? Who knows, you may even be Paul Wolfowitz or Richard Pearle, but why you continually choose this blog for your rants is beyond me.
Mr H, I agree with your opinion that the US should take the diplomatic high road in response to the Chinese General's comments, but GI Korea is free to write whatever he wants on his blog, even if he unintentionally offends some Chinese and Koreans who may misinterpret what he says, IMHO of course.
Rob,
Good call — yes, I am a Straussian.
Why practice on the GI blog? Korea is a current hot-spot – and — I can practice my exoteric writing style and watch how the esoteric message germinates within our government-issued brain-washed socialist.
So far, he seems to be poor soil for enlightenment.
Those commies really have the indoctrination thing down pat– he is a tough socialist to crack.
SS, if it weren't for your personal attacks on GI and the Marmot I'd actually enjoy reading your posts, although I'm far from a Straussian.
I agree that society needs to be bonded by shared values and norms, otherwise there would be nothing to keep us all together, right? However, there's something about the religious right controlling politics that I just can't deal with, and I'm a Christian. And the "scare tactics" employed by the current administration make me sick to my stomach.
Maybe you can enlighten us… I'm curious, what is your position on NK and how should the US deal with them?
Rob,
Maybe you know, Leo Strauss was an atheist — although a proponent of Judeo-Christian principles — he reasoned Judeo-Christian principles effectively produce moral, social, and economic success within a society. Our GI's and Marmot's socialism — in contrast — is an anti-American formula for failure.
The Neo-Cons would like to share these winning Judeo- Christian principles to the world — using a little force. For many patriotic Christians they think of this military force as a righteous "Joel's Army'.
I agree with you, however; forcing a global "attitude change" through military means will fall short of the Neo-Con's expectations and vision. "You can lead an Iraqi to water, but you can't make him drink". Case in point: we tried to democratize the South Koreans — but, all we got are capitalistic communists, Korean tribalists who instinctively respond to the Marxist gospel of envy and secretly wish America's downfall.
I agree with you, the kingdom, and the power belongs to a transcendent God-ideal — God creates the Kingdom — not US policy and the US military machine.
However, I do believe there are some pagans who need a serious ass-kicking (North Koreans). The US military machine … fits the bill.
Talk with ya later … out of here.
Yes, I know that Mr. Straus was an athiest, which makes it even more ironic that the Neo-Cons, Straussians, are using the support of the religious right to shoulder their cause. You really have to think about the macro, big picture, to understand any of it.
"Case in point: we tried to democratize the South Koreans — but, all we got are capitalistic communists, Korean tribalists who instinctively respond to the Marxist gospel of envy and secretly wish America's downfall."
LOL. Thanks for sharing your insight SS. I do in fact get a kick out of reading your posts.
Rob,
Yes, one has to evaluate it all from a macro perspective — to gain hints as to what is happening.
The influence behind the neo-cons is atheistic even though they embrace Judeo-patriarchal values — causing dull- witted Christians to jump on the same ideological band-wagon, thinking God is taking their country back through tough-love measures. Far from it.
I won't openly say on the internet, but there are other motives.
Personally, and I have absolutely no evidence to back this up, I think one reason why the Bush administration has waffled on NK for so long is because they need that "evil" dictator up north to justify our presence here, especially with the rising influence of China. I've thought for the longest time that our presence here has more to do with the rise of China than the so called threat from dilapidated North Korea.
Without the "evil" regime up north we literally have no justifiable reason for staying in Korea. Selling a huge military presence here after the so called threat is gone is going to be a near impossible task to perform. The Koreans won't want it; that is obvious…and the American public won't either.
Just a layman's $0.02 worth….
Rob,
Yes, I heard the original ulterior motive for bases in Korea was to protect Japan from communism — because the Korean peninsula was seen as a dagger directed at Japan: keep the Korean peninsula free of communism for Japan's sake.
Sure, I think US bases in Korea are now a strategic deterrant against China's boldness — the useful Kim Jung Il justifies the bases. One reason why I don't think the Chinese are zealous supporters of the USA with the North Korean dillemma — and one reason why Kim Jung Il will probably get a sweet deal from the US instead of bold military moves. But, who knows!
I think the Chinese are active supporters of anti-Americanism in the two Korea's. No matter how smooth things look on the exterior — China is a natural enemy of the USA.
Do you have a church you attend in Korea?