(2) the war ends: Trump is a cheeseburger eating surrender monkey.
ChickenHead
1 month ago
You know who else didn’t help us?
The countries dependent on oil that comes through the Straits of Hormuz.
That doesn’t sound like a MAGA problem for the number one oil exporter in the world.
That sounds like a MAGA opporunity.
Where are the world’s largest reserves?
Venezuela.
It is starting to look like Trunp knows what he is doing.
Consider this… and a lot more. The ducks are getting aligned on a row.
Let’s look at the two possible outcomes
1. The war continues. That is the first myth. The war is over. It may restart, but now there is just a blockade. It costs America little more than normal operations but gives serious realworld training. But it is very expensive for Iran. Eventually, they have to act. Give in to Trunp’s demands, pretend to give in to Trump’s demands, FAFO. Trump will continue pressure until their surrender if verified so bluffing or other diplomatic nonsense wont work. Everyone knows FA will be followed by expensive FO.
2. The war ends. Trump’s ego is far too big and America’s military power is far too strong to just walk away. If the war ends, it is because Trump got what he wanted. Unlike other administrations who only wanted a flashy political win at America’s long-term expense (Obama), everybody knows going into this that Trump will only accept what he wants, as his his clearly documented history. The mystery is determining how much of what he asks for is what he really wants… give to much, and he got you worse… give too little and risk him deciding he wants more for the insult. Very Trump.
Excellent to see America grew balls again.
More excellent to see the world whining.
James Whitlock
1 month ago
The mental gymnastics by the MAGA cult to justify and excuse anything Trump does is astounding. And hilarious at the same time.
Johnnyboy
1 month ago
Even if his supporters don’t agree with everything he does, a lot of us still think it’s better than the alternative.
Some of his supporters absolutely love the guy. Others don’t necessarily like him that much, they just hate the other choices that much worse.
That’s how unlikeable the average politician in DC is. That’s what his opponents are up against.
It took the republicans half the 2016 primary to figure that out. Democrats are still trying to process it and counter it.
In my opinion the most effective attacks at this point are accusing him of fighting middle east forever wars and engaging/protecting pdf files.
They know it is an effective line of attack because it worked on them in the last few election cycles.
Mad Bob
1 month ago
1) You’re mad at other countries for not sending their military to attack Iran, but your navy is parked a thousand miles away from Iranian drones and missiles. You expect other countries to send their navies to be destroyed by Iran. It’s sure easy to blame other countries for your own stupidity, but it’s an ultimate cowardice not to do what you demand from others.
2) You never consulted with the allies before you started this war, in your hairbrained idea that you can end this in just four days. Now you expect others to bail you out.
3) You keep claiming that you won this war and that Iran has no military left. Sure, keep on telling this lie. But do you really think you can fool other countries, like you can fool your own brainwashed population?
4) You keep demanding Iran “make a deal”. But your deals are not worth the toilet paper that they’re signed on. You keep breaking every international “deal” you’ve signed, so you have no credibility to stick to anything, nor will you respect any international law or agreement that you routinely and flagrantly broke without even blinking. F-off. Your promises are worthless, and your moral outrages are all fake.
5) You think this oil block won’t affect you. But the US uses the same market pricing for oil as the rest of the world. Look at your gas prices at the pump; it’s well over $6 in California and well over $4 for the other states. And it will continue to soar. Let’s see if the MAGA movement will keep its cult members when they run out of money and even food. Sure, your oil companies will profit billions, but like the rest of the American economy, only the few select will enjoy any of the profit. Most of you will suffer economically, so don’t kid yourself.
6) Your narcissistic, arrogant attitude makes you think that all this doesn’t affect you, and sure, you don’t care what the rest of the world thinks of your country because you think you’re the greatest when you’re not. But history has shown time and time again that when superpowers collapse, their soft power collapses first. But keep pushing, let’s see if you’ll have any base left in Europe after the EU kicks all your military bases out of Europe, and you have no place left to start new wars in the Middle East.
Last edited 1 month ago by Mad Bob
Johnnyboy
1 month ago
Much of the opposition to attacking Iran assumes that Iran wouldn’t ever use the strait as leverage unless attacked first. I’m sorry I dont share that assumption.
Even if that was the case, it isn’t prudent to allow a bad actor regional power to have that capability.
The rest of the world that relies on open navigation of the strait should support that idea either in words or action.
At this point Iran should make a deal and pray that we don’t alter it further. It’s likely the best chance the current leaders have at staying in power if that’s what they even want. I would venture a fair amount are considering the right time to seek amnesty and residence in third party nations.
The EU or NATO probably won’t kick the US out. It’s difficult to continue to portray Russia as the biggest threat to Europe when you kick out the only fighting force that could realistically protect you from Russian aggression.
That may not have been the case if Europe had actually met their defense spending goals but thats where things stand.
ChickenHead
1 month ago
Mad Bob, the beauty of your complaints, some of which are actually shared by others, is that MAGA doesn’t care, nothing you or anyone else says or does will change anything, America can absorb more and recover faster than anyone else, and the more you whine about your hardship, the more everyone involved wants to see more of it for you.
Every time you complain here like a little girl with a skinned knee, many of us smile st your misfortune and wonder why if the world hates and distrusts America so much, why have they constantly relied on America.
Trump is calling out everybody except Boss Beni.
There are only 2 possible outcomes:
(1) the war continues, AKA the Trumpevah War;
(2) the war ends: Trump is a cheeseburger eating surrender monkey.
You know who else didn’t help us?
The countries dependent on oil that comes through the Straits of Hormuz.
That doesn’t sound like a MAGA problem for the number one oil exporter in the world.
That sounds like a MAGA opporunity.
Where are the world’s largest reserves?
Venezuela.
It is starting to look like Trunp knows what he is doing.
Consider this… and a lot more. The ducks are getting aligned on a row.
Let’s look at the two possible outcomes
1. The war continues. That is the first myth. The war is over. It may restart, but now there is just a blockade. It costs America little more than normal operations but gives serious realworld training. But it is very expensive for Iran. Eventually, they have to act. Give in to Trunp’s demands, pretend to give in to Trump’s demands, FAFO. Trump will continue pressure until their surrender if verified so bluffing or other diplomatic nonsense wont work. Everyone knows FA will be followed by expensive FO.
2. The war ends. Trump’s ego is far too big and America’s military power is far too strong to just walk away. If the war ends, it is because Trump got what he wanted. Unlike other administrations who only wanted a flashy political win at America’s long-term expense (Obama), everybody knows going into this that Trump will only accept what he wants, as his his clearly documented history. The mystery is determining how much of what he asks for is what he really wants… give to much, and he got you worse… give too little and risk him deciding he wants more for the insult. Very Trump.
Excellent to see America grew balls again.
More excellent to see the world whining.
The mental gymnastics by the MAGA cult to justify and excuse anything Trump does is astounding. And hilarious at the same time.
Even if his supporters don’t agree with everything he does, a lot of us still think it’s better than the alternative.
Some of his supporters absolutely love the guy. Others don’t necessarily like him that much, they just hate the other choices that much worse.
That’s how unlikeable the average politician in DC is. That’s what his opponents are up against.
It took the republicans half the 2016 primary to figure that out. Democrats are still trying to process it and counter it.
In my opinion the most effective attacks at this point are accusing him of fighting middle east forever wars and engaging/protecting pdf files.
They know it is an effective line of attack because it worked on them in the last few election cycles.
1) You’re mad at other countries for not sending their military to attack Iran, but your navy is parked a thousand miles away from Iranian drones and missiles. You expect other countries to send their navies to be destroyed by Iran. It’s sure easy to blame other countries for your own stupidity, but it’s an ultimate cowardice not to do what you demand from others.
2) You never consulted with the allies before you started this war, in your hairbrained idea that you can end this in just four days. Now you expect others to bail you out.
3) You keep claiming that you won this war and that Iran has no military left. Sure, keep on telling this lie. But do you really think you can fool other countries, like you can fool your own brainwashed population?
4) You keep demanding Iran “make a deal”. But your deals are not worth the toilet paper that they’re signed on. You keep breaking every international “deal” you’ve signed, so you have no credibility to stick to anything, nor will you respect any international law or agreement that you routinely and flagrantly broke without even blinking. F-off. Your promises are worthless, and your moral outrages are all fake.
5) You think this oil block won’t affect you. But the US uses the same market pricing for oil as the rest of the world. Look at your gas prices at the pump; it’s well over $6 in California and well over $4 for the other states. And it will continue to soar. Let’s see if the MAGA movement will keep its cult members when they run out of money and even food. Sure, your oil companies will profit billions, but like the rest of the American economy, only the few select will enjoy any of the profit. Most of you will suffer economically, so don’t kid yourself.
6) Your narcissistic, arrogant attitude makes you think that all this doesn’t affect you, and sure, you don’t care what the rest of the world thinks of your country because you think you’re the greatest when you’re not. But history has shown time and time again that when superpowers collapse, their soft power collapses first. But keep pushing, let’s see if you’ll have any base left in Europe after the EU kicks all your military bases out of Europe, and you have no place left to start new wars in the Middle East.
Much of the opposition to attacking Iran assumes that Iran wouldn’t ever use the strait as leverage unless attacked first. I’m sorry I dont share that assumption.
Even if that was the case, it isn’t prudent to allow a bad actor regional power to have that capability.
The rest of the world that relies on open navigation of the strait should support that idea either in words or action.
At this point Iran should make a deal and pray that we don’t alter it further. It’s likely the best chance the current leaders have at staying in power if that’s what they even want. I would venture a fair amount are considering the right time to seek amnesty and residence in third party nations.
The EU or NATO probably won’t kick the US out. It’s difficult to continue to portray Russia as the biggest threat to Europe when you kick out the only fighting force that could realistically protect you from Russian aggression.
That may not have been the case if Europe had actually met their defense spending goals but thats where things stand.
Mad Bob, the beauty of your complaints, some of which are actually shared by others, is that MAGA doesn’t care, nothing you or anyone else says or does will change anything, America can absorb more and recover faster than anyone else, and the more you whine about your hardship, the more everyone involved wants to see more of it for you.
Every time you complain here like a little girl with a skinned knee, many of us smile st your misfortune and wonder why if the world hates and distrusts America so much, why have they constantly relied on America.
MAGA for the win.
For everyone else, sad trombones.