South Korea’s Vaccine Pass System for Supermarkets and Department Stores Faces Wide Criticism
It will be interesting to see how long this vaccine pass system lasts:
Criticism is mounting over the COVID-19 vaccine pass mandate for large supermarkets, discount outlets and department stores, which came into effect from Monday, with critics calling on the government to justify the scientific grounds for implementing the new measure.
Korea Times
The vaccine pass system, which requires either proof of vaccination or a negative PCR test result to be presented to enter multiuse facilities, has been expanded to shopping malls, retail outlets, department stores and bookstores measuring 3,000 square meters or more in floor space.
These large stores have been freshly added to the list of multiuse facilities subject to the vaccine pass system, including eateries, cafes, libraries and indoor gyms.
But criticism is escalating over the system, among people who find it unscientific and excessive.
According to government data, 427 and 327 infections occurred at large retail stores and department stores, in 2021, respectively, whereas 7,491 cases were linked to churches. But religious facilities still remain excluded from the vaccine pass since it was introduced on Dec. 6.
You can read more at the link, but oddly the employees at these stores do not have to get vaccinated due to work place laws. Additionally it seems like at this point if the government wants to discourage the spread of the omicron variant than they should be requiring people to get a booster which has more efficacy against the virus. They of course will not do this because that would inconvenience the ~80% of the population that is vaccinated before this Spring’s elections. This means the vaccine pass system arguably an inconvenience imposed on the ~20% of the population that hasn’t been vaccinated yet to encourage more of them to get vaccinated.
I keep wondering if the world will ever recover from this lunacy and hysteria? Just when you think this nightmare might be coming to an end, the governments double down on the stupidity.
Sometimes these crazy bureaucrats just need a little “counseling”. Sometimes earnest prayers and repentance work better than mobs with torches and pitchforks (or guns).
The people accept as much as they wish to accept; and when the dam breaks, the terrain is changed.
Or so I’ve heard tell.
Oh yeah… The boosters likely kill people faster than the COVID… Unless there’s another reason young previously-healthy people are dropping like flies from heart attacks…
I have an open mind on the subject
Not participating. We won’t spend money at stores that do this. Also CDC just admitted vax is worth fuckall at stopping the spread. This after first telling us the vax was over 90% effective at stopping spread. So much for your reliable sources GI.
As for the crazy bureaucrats, I fully believe in turning the other cheek.
Their cheek.
Their bùtt cheek.
So that every resistor at the insurrection can have their chance to run train on these petty tyrants.
These people would put you in a boxcar and ship you to a camp simply because you won’t comply with their arbitraty madness.
You owe them nothing but violence until they leave you alone.
Given they say “silence is violence”, I’m probably on their list for train tickets anyway
CDC admits 75% of COVID deaths had at least 4 Comorbidities!!!! https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2022/01/10/cdc_director_rochelle_walensky_75_of_covid_deaths_had_at_least_4_comorbidities.html
Also, booster shots not that great against Big O variant: https://nypost.com/2021/12/24/booster-protection-against-omicron-drops-within-10-weeks-study/ Also, vax may increase fatalities.. https://www.redvoicemedia.com/2022/01/huge-study-of-145-countries-finds-major-increase-of-death-after-covid-jabs-introduced/
Dear Comrade Setnaffova and the Knights of the Order of Fake News and Misinformation.
Or is it Dear Comrade Setnaffova and his sockpuppets?
I have wondered about the motivation behind Dear Comrade Setnaffova’s spreading of fake news and misinformation.
And it seems he has made his motivations clear.
He wants to do his part to create an insurrection to overthrow what he feels to be the illegimate government of Joe Biden.
And what better way than to sow doubts about the vaccine and social distancing measures initiated by the Biden administration.
As such he and his knights will not listen to facts and science, because it does not fit with their storyline that they are pursuing.
I’ve always wondered about the mental health of the Dear Comrade and as time goes by it seems that he really needs to see a mental health specialist.
Either that he and his knights are a bot created by the Russians to pursue their agenda of destabilizing the Western democracies.
Smells like paintchip is using his sockpuppets for more than just the internet…
The angry old white guys club at it again! Facts, people, facts! And don’t link to some far right fringe lunatic tin foil hat site.
Tbone, it is an interview with the CDC director and those are the facts from the CDC. Here is another one, CDC director admits Vaccine does NOTHING to stop spread. From MSM https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/cdc-director-covid-vaccines-cant-prevent-transmission-anymore/ar-AASDndg
That you are not smart enough to figure out the truth is sad for you.
Realclearpoltics is hardly an radical site.
I should get a job at the Psychic Hotline.
Notice how the Peanut Gallery attacks the people but never the facts…
…and never even introduces counter-facts… which is a legitimate tactic, if they exist.
They can just be ridiculed.
Anyway…
Read this take on where we are going with covid and vaccines.
https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/are-the-vaccines-doomed-or-are-we
There are two main points of the article that Flyingsword was kind enough to share with us.
First is this, which the fake news spreaders here are jumping with joy
CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said that Covid-19 vaccines are no longer effective at preventing transmission of the virus.
And there is the second point, in which the fake news spreaders here are conveniently ignoring.
“Our vaccines are working exceptionally well. They continue to work well for Delta with regard to sever illness and death. They prevent it,” Walensky said.
No one who supports vaccines is going around saying that the vaccines can stop the virus.
What they’re saying is that it helps to prevent severe illness and death which is the whole point and in which the fakenews spreaders such as setnaffa and Chicken Head conveniently ignore.
So that they can have a story line to instigate their insurrection.
Anyone who has a decent understanding of how vaccines work would have figured it out already!
Wake up and smell the coffee!
So, who’s ignoring and attacking the facts now?
And submitting gibberish instead of clear understandable facts.
Dear Comrade Setnaffova’s sidekick(or sockpuppet) Chicken Head of course!!
What Korean Man fails to understand is the slow gas lighting….yesterday it was covid vax will prevent spread, today it is well won’t stop spread but does prevent severe illness, so time soon will be well vaccine really doesn’t do anything but a placebo effect. Meanwhile you all took an experimental something in your arm that you have no idea what the long term effects will be. Good luck. Article saying CDC say vaccine effective at preventing spread: https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/09/covid-vaccines-very-effective-hinder-spread-studies-say
My doctors told me, specifically because of the intensive inpatient chemotherapy I had in 2016, that taking the WuFlu vaccine (and most other shots) was right out. That is, for the ESL folks, verboten.
On the other hand, if your doctor tells you to get jabbed 2, 3, 4, or 99 times, have at it! (Or ask yourself why–and get a second opinion.)
We all want to be Safe and Effective, right?
BTW, I heard Bob Saget passed recently. Less than 3 weeks after his booster shot. Obviously just another coincidence. Plus he was in his 60s.
It’s your life. Live it. And let other folks decide how to live theirs.
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Meanwhile! You know who you are. And you’re making CH look far wiser than he used to be. So keep on with the irrational insults and lack of actual facts. It’s pretty amusing, even for me.
Bit you know, I almost think the trolls are CH’s sockpuppets. The one thing that prevents me from being sure is I doubt he could must up the apprentice schmendrick lingo paintchip and KP keep spewing. I think he has too much self-confidence.
BTW, I heard Bob Saget passed recently. Less than 3 weeks after his booster shot. Obviously just another coincidence. Plus he was in his 60s.
You do know that there is no evidence linking the booster shot with his death.
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/jan/10/tweets/social-media-posts-try-connect-sagets-death-covid-/
Another evidence of you spreading fake news and misinformation and so natural at that.
So who’s lacking actual facts now, Dear Comrade?
Speaking of insults, I remember setnaffa throwing insults at those who do not agree with his idealogy.
For example he once called a certain person “The Other Karen” because that person did not agree with something that GIKorea wrote and also proceeded to call that person a “troll”.
He also constantly calls Korean Man, someone who also doesn’t agree with the Dear Comrade, “Beijing Boy” even though his writings don’t show a hint of support for the PRC.
Although yes for the sake of fairness, Korean Man should cut down on the cancer talk.
So it seems that for those who agree with his idealogy should be untouched while those who don’t are fair game to his insults.
Such hypocrisy.
But of course hypocrisy is the hallmark of setnaffa.
I agree.
Setnaffa is a highly offensive person and his insulting talk should not be tolerated.
How dare he call some perpetual whiner “the other Karen”? Can it get any more insulting than that? It’s not even a primary Karen. How belittlinging to put all your effort into screeching nonsense and always be labeled as #2.
And “Beijing Boy” is pretty a presumptive label for someone who isn’t talking about China and only pushing their anti-western talking point. Perhaps “Beijing-aligned Boy” would be more correct.
I would applaud the patience and tolerance shown to Setnaffa by all you half-wit afterbirths of Mongolian gangbangs if my hands weren’t gripping your mom’s ears.
Come on, GI… just for a thought exercise, let’s expand on this thinking.
“Additionally it seems like at this point if the government wants to discourage the spread of the omicron variant than they should be requiring people to get a booster which has more efficacy against the virus.”
This is short-term thinking that borders on cute due to its child-like innocence.
Let’s say this happens. The Væccine Færie waves its magic wand and the entire population has double vaccines and boosters.
As it sits, 14% of cases are “breakout cases in the fully vaccinated”. I would like to break down the percentages of filthy unvaccinated and the unclean two-shotters but those numbers are now being combined in the new binary choice narrative of “up to date vaccines” and “not up to date vaccines”.
Depending on the thickness of your tinfoil hat, you might think this is being done to obscure indications that the double-vaxxed are catching onicron more than the unvaxxed.
So you have your way and everybody is vaccinated… but we still have covid lurking around in breakout cases and animal populations… all just waiting to surge at the first sign of immunological weakness.
Now it is 3 to 6 months later.
Vaccines are no longer “up to date”. And covid cases are rising among the “not fully vaccinated.”
Fortunately Korea already bought Shot #4 so everyone can be “up to date” for another “five months plus a one month grace period”.
Then they need Shot #5 which Korea is currently preparing (with the expectation it will be a slightly different formulation to protect against a previous strain that has come and gone… we are always prepared for the last war).
So let’s think for a moment if we can find any sort of flaw in this thinking?
If one were an armchair epidemiologist, would one think it better to:
1. Get narrow-targeting experimental boosters twice a year… forever… to give some protection against a strain that isn’t really going around anymore.
2. Let a everyone healthy simply catch the current mild strain and let their broad immunological response protect them from a lot of future strains for a long time, perhaps years for many people.
Unless one owns stock in a pharmaceutical company or is insane, proposing indefinite injections twice a year to “protect” against something that is no danger to healthy people and won’t solve the problem is irrational.
Doing nothing is actually better.
Do you want to rethink this idea or are you sticking with Injections Forever!
call some perpetual whiner “the other Karen”?
by all you half-wit afterbirths of Mongolian gangbangs if my hands weren’t gripping your mom’s ears.
Let’s see. Insults. Bigotry. White supremacy. And denial of simple facts.
Some of the true hallmarks of your typical right wing Trump supporter who I might add are the shame of America.
“Let’s see. Insults. Bigotry. White supremacy. And denial of simple facts”
That’s some pretty uppity talk for someone who isn’t a member of the Master Race.
At the Klan meeting last week, Hitler told us to scream at the sky if someone denies simple facts like white supremacy.
But I have faith in you.
I suspect, with careful tutelage, you can be trained to recognize the most common forms of satire.
Also, kindly explain what “simple facts” I am denying. Clearly state these facts and why you believe them to be true. We can discuss them specifically instead of talking in generalities that can never really be pinned down.
I would LOVE to discuss any aspect of the covids… and I would LOVE for you to give me an encouraging framework to do so.
You are Kristi Noem … please give me my five dollars.
“Reinfection can reasonably happen in three months or less,” Jeffrey Townsend, Yale School of Public Health. “Therefore, those who have been naturally infected should get vaccinated. Previous infection alone can offer very little long-term protection against subsequent infections.”
The surge of the Omicron variant has been affirming that principle as people are getting COVID for a second or even a third time.
Skin and Dubya both Yale men.
Let’s see what the official Experts say:
“The Omicron variant largely evades immunity from past infection or two vaccine doses according to the latest Imperial modelling.
The new report (Report 49) from the Imperial College London COVID-19 response team estimates that the risk of reinfection with the Omicron variant is 5.4 times greater than that of the Delta variant. This implies that the protection against reinfection by Omicron afforded by past infection may be as low as 19%.”
Absolutely! The filthy unvaxxed, the dirty naturally immune, and the unclean double vaxxers can only be purified though a 3rd shot…
…well… at least for 3 to 6 months.
No matter what the question is, the answer will always be, “Keep your vaccines up to date.”
This only makes sense if the goal is to get more vaccine into people rather than stop covid.
Let’s take off our tinfoil hats and go into some conspiracy territory… though most of last year’s conspiracy territory is firmly on this year’s fact map… and it turns out, yes, here ye be dragons.
What if the virus and the vaccine are actually intentional delivery systems for the spike protein.
What if the spike protein is fully intended to kill off a percentage of people… nothing too drastic… but just thin out some of the less useful demographics.
Around 10% of senior citizens have been killed off by covid… from covid, with covid, whatever… but it really killed off the sickest and oldest… with the median age being larger than the life expectancy. That’s a plus for Social Security and the medical system.
Minorities were a bit harder hit. Racism? No. It is because it pretty much only kills those with comorbidities… and minority populations (except Asians) have a higher rate of obesity, diabetes, and other lifestyle-related comorbidities. You can yell systemic racism and food deserts… fine… but that doesn’t change these facts.
Oh but look at the healthy children who died! Yes. Please look at them. The ones that didn’t have leukemia were pretty much all HAES (healthy at every size). No. A 200 pound 13 year-old is not healthy.
Can you find exceptions? Probably. Are they miniscule? Yes. Are they really exceptions or did the report leave out their chronic asthma or undiagnosed heart condition?
So far, covid isn’t the disease we want… but it seems to be the disease we need.
But what about the spike protein and the global depopulation apocalypse thrust upon us by the New World Order and the Reticulans living under the Denver Airport in order to further the Great Reset with 5G graphine oxide nanoparticles?!?
Well, let’s back up a bit to a trial run.
Is Gulf War Syndrome a real thing? Seems to be. But nobody can quite figure it out. Why? Because it isn’t a syndrome… it is syndromes… intentionally lumped together so a multitude of symptoms, locations, experiences, exposures make a big confusing mess that those in a position to interpret very much don’t want interpreted.
Chemical weapons, burn pits, uranium dust, oil fires, etc… all cause trouble to a percentage of the population with exposure. But when lumped together, where do you point the finger.
A generation before… “Yes, agent orange exposure causes a statistical increase in cancer but yours is natural. Tough luck. Claim denied.”
So back to the spike protein intentionally delivered to a large percentage of the population…
A little heart inflammation and damage here… some fertility reduction there… lung scarring… cancer exacerbation… who knows.
It doesn’t need to kill immediately… in fact, it shouldn’t… or it would be noticed. It is simply spread out over time… increasing the background mortality by some percent… especially in those with comorbidities.
Can you blame the vaccine? No. He died of a heart attack. Lots of relatively young people die. What about this stroke? He has been fine for 8 boosters so no reason for this one to kill him. Cancer rate mysteriously up? She can’t have a baby? Autoimmune disease eating him alive? No connection to the vaccine. Look at all the perfectly healthy people who are vaccinated.
An increase in mortality by “natural causes” would perfectly fill a number of agendas… and not be noticed except by those looking… who would be branded as conspiracy theorists by those who think they are virtuously saving the world… by taking a vaccine… being pushed by people who have spent a couple of decades talking about how the world needs a population reduction. True story. How did that get by you?
So could there be an increase in mortality without anybody noticing? If it was impossible to hide, would people accept some silly excuse to rationalize their choice to get the vaccine and all the boosters because they are better than everyone else?
Well… look no farther than the UK where the strange increase in cardiac hospitalizations is… spins Wheel of Thin Excuses… “the result of covid anxiety”.
So… is this what is actually happening? Who knows. All evidence supports this. How do we prove it? That’s the beauty. You really can’t without keeping long-term statistics… and those statistics can be manipulated, not kept, or simply lied about.
In the end, I highly encourage both vaccines and unlimited boosters for anybody who is presented with reasons to be cautious or questioning but are neither cautions nor questioning… nor even willing to discuss it.
And if they are defensive or hostile, yet will attack everything but the issues, I am in full support of double dose boosters.
Stay Safe and Effective, my friends.
So, CH, are you saying the Covid vaccines are as effective in fighting the disease as government-run lotteries are at funding education?
This in, European medical agency admits there is V-AIDS and continual vaxing of people has a possibility of causing V-AIDS. (GI I hope a press conference from the European Medicines Agency is a reliable enough source…I know you love CNN and MSM) https://twitter.com/N625662/status/1481203014845276161?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1481295570362900488%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es3_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fsummit.news%2F2022%2F01%2F12%2Feuropean-medicines-agency-warns-endless-booster-shots-could-cause-immune-response-problems%2F
From Brazil, another death from coincidence… https://peru21.pe/cheka/valentina-boscardin-todo-sobre-la-modelo-brasilena-que-murio-por-covid-19-a-los-18-anos-coronavirus-marcia-boscardin-celebs-nnda-nnlt-noticia/
Yeah… something is going on.
The EU said endless boosters were not the way forward.
Two shakes of a lamb’s tail later, the WHO got on board this new narrative.
So what changed from a week ago when they were pushing boosters…
…apart from the realization that the booster gives you MAYBE a couple months of protection.
This is going to be interesting.
Has anyone seen this?
https://ns2017.wordpress.com/2022/01/06/en-france-deces-apres-la-vaccination-dun-grand-pere-tres-fortune-ancien-chef-dentreprise-parisien-de-versailles-avec-assurance-vie-de-plusieurs-millions-deuro-pour-le-benefice-de-ses-enfants/
It does not offer an english translation, but you can plug the text into google translator and get the idea. An insurance policy was denied to survivors because the policy holder took the vaccine (which apparently killed him). The insurers claimed it was an experimental medicine, and he should have known the risks. The court agreed with the insurers and the policy holders were refused the insurance money.
Masks don’t work? So they got the vaccine, me included and I let up on mask quite a bit. Now there’s an explosion of new cases. Gee guys why can’t your correlate the increase from fewer mask wearers, most of whom don’t wear a good mask or wrongly at all! Open nose, open nose!!! It is an airborne virus, DUHHH.
There are 4 kinds of people here regarding masks, WHO ARE YOU?:
Masks are worthless. my post with the various research was deleted here…so use duck duck go, type in research finds mask ineffective. Here is one. https://fee.org/articles/new-danish-study-finds-masks-don-t-protect-wearers-from-covid-infection/
Sorry Ol’ Tanker,
Korea has been diligently wearing their masks wrong since this whole thing started.
All the latest studies are saying masks do nothing. It could be true or the media could be setting us up. Hard to know.
In both countries and United States counties, there is no relationship between vaccine level and covid cases. ..
Who knows the truth.
It is easy to say the opposite of what the government is pushing is the truth… but they have taken all positions.
Who knows.
We know that excess carbon dioxide has deleterious health consequences. We also know that wearing a mask for an extended length of time (over 15 minutes) leads to carbon dioxide buildup. This is simply fact, not speculation. Pulse oximeter readings are not an accurate measure for hypercapnia. Also a fact.
That said, if you are ill or recovering, yes please wear a mask. I wear a mask everywhere, and will for the next week or so. Then I will not, because cost to gains it is better to breath fresh air and not walk around with a fomite on my face.
Liz, who feeds you this misinformation?
Long-term carbon dioxide exposure is actually GOOD for people. Carbon and oxygen are two vital nutrients required for life and you are actually getting an extra oxygen in this case.
While I am sure you would love to release the carbon dioxide into the air just like any other racist, keeping it in the mask saves our planet from warming.
Your refusal to wear a mask in normal circumstances not only shows your lack of concern for those who take care of themselves, such as the fully vaxxed and masked in their mobility scooters, but you are also not a good citizen as you resist the gentle suggestions of caring government officials informing you of this week’s requirements.
You just need to follow The Science™, keep your vaccines up to date or more, and wear however many masks are required this month.
For added protection, a plastic garbage bag over the head and knotted at the neck will keep covid away.
This is especially effective on children.
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Excellent choice of word, Liz.
Tanker is sadly one of those who think the government is actually trying to help him.